ADR and Technology: Conclusion of Jay Taylor Interview

This is the third part of a three-part interview with Jay Taylor, a partner with the Indianapolis, Indiana law firm of Ice Miller. Mr. Taylor's primary practice area is intellectual property law with a focus on patent, trademark, copyright, and trade secret litigation and mediation. He also concentrates in business aspects of intellectual property law such as acquisition, sale and licensing of intellectual property assets, and computer hardware and software sale and licensing.

MS. PYNCHON: Do you believe that the speed at which technology is changing these days should make mediation even more attractive to attorneys handling IP disputes?

MR. TAYLOR: I can tell you that the technology most effecting litigation practice today is electronic discovery. The new rules and case law on that topic are going to make discovery even more burdensome than it already is. And I’ve no doubt it will be abused by some attorneys for the sole purpose of forcing the opposition to capitulate.

Moreover, as technology advances, the costs required for experts to explain the technology in terms the court and jury can understand increases exponentially.

However, it is true that advances in the client’s patented technology often has an impact on the parties’ desire to settle a lengthy case. Many years ago, I was involved in a case involving a patent on controlling pattern stitching on sewing machines. While the case was pending, the technology advanced to the point where the patented technology was obsolete. The new technology was vastly superior and the old patent was worthless. The case settled quickly and reasonably because the whole market changed. This is going to be even more evident in the future as old technology is replaced more rapidly with new technology.

We will always, however, have the trolls with us, who attempt to reinterpret old patents to cover the new technology. Still, in many fields, the valuable life a patent is more limited today than it used to be by virtue of technology’s volatility.

MS. PYNCHON: Do IP disputes have other characteristics that make them uniquely appropriate for mediation?

MR. TAYLOR: I think the primary reasons IP cases and particularly patent cases are particularly good candidates for mediation is the cost of the litigation and the unpredictability of the results. The law itself is always in a constant state of flux. But with the Supreme Court overruling the Court of Appeals for the Federal Circuit on a regular basis in several very significant areas, that flux has increased to the point that very little is certain.

A patent case that may have looked very good several years ago, may now look less appealing because the standards for obviousness have been lowered, or the likelihood of an injunction reduced, or the likelihood of a willful infringement determination due to the failure to product an attorney opinion undermined.

Trademark disputes raise a whole set of other issues. Most often, the goal is an injunction to prohibit continued use of the infringing mark. Damages are usually less of a concern, so money alone is not going to get the matter resolved. Here, creative settlements are a premium and often the only way a trademark dispute can be resolved.

I once had a trademark case where the two clients reached a business settlement in the courthouse hallway as I was picking a jury. That is a case where mediation would probably have produced a comparable settlement much earlier and at much less expense to both sides, but neither the court nor the parties pursued mediation. At that time, mediation was not as widely recognized and practiced as it is today. Today, knowing what I now know, I would push such cases harder toward mediation.

MS. PYNCHON: Are you seeing a marked increase in mediation in your practice.

MR. TAYLOR: Oh, yes. Quite a bit. I am seeing more and more attorneys recognizing the benefits of mediation and counseling their clients to agree to it. Some courts are also beginning to recognize the benefits of mediation and pushing for and implementing rules for court ordered mediation. The Court of Appeals for the Federal Circuit has implemented a mediation program for all cases appealed to that court. Personally, I think that by the time a case gets to appeal, it is too late to mediate. Only time will tell if the program works.

MS PYNCHON: Thank you so much for sharing your experience and insights with us. It’s been very illuminating and education for me. Do you have any parting thoughts?

MR. TAYLOR: Yes, the mantra for the modern businessman should be "mediate, don't litigate." Litigation is costly, time consuming and disruptive for a business. Businessmen want as few uncertainties in their business as possible, and the result of litigation, by its very nature, is totally uncertain. Mediation, on the other hand, provides both sides with an opportunity to resolve a dispute on terms that are mutually acceptable at a cost far less than litigation. If the dispute is one that can possibly be settled, every attempt should be made to do so as early as possible through negotiation, and if that fails, through mediation.


Welcome to the IP ADR Blog

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Why an IP ADR Blog?

We litigators are trained to organize party interests around legal theories. Our clients, however, organize their thinking around their business interests, which often involve potential synergies with the competition.

Whether you're negotiating the settlement of your IP case or striving to obtain a more efficient arbitral resolution, it's helpful to have a "coach" or neutral who is as attuned to potential business solutions to legal problems and s/he is to the legal strategies already being pursued.

That's why we're joining the high-level conversation about IP commercial, regulatory, legal and technical issues already underway in the IP blogs we've listed in our sidebar.

Collaboration and reciprocity are the by-words of the blogosphere and the key to the settlement -- or the effective management -- of complex IP litigation.

We're looking forward to learning from those already at the table and hopeful that we'll be able to add value for everyone who preceded us here, be they transactional or trial attorneys, General Counsel or the executives they serve.

 We're here to listen and to connect. 

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Mediating IP Disputes: Interview with Jay Gordon Taylor

Mr. Taylor is a partner with the Indianapolis, Indiana law firm of Ice Miller. His primary practice area is intellectual property law with a focus on patent, trademark, copyright, and trade secret litigation and mediation. He also concentrates in business aspects of intellectual property law such as acquisition, sale and licensing of intellectual property assets, and computer hardware and software sale and licensing.

Mediators and litigators don't talk to one another nearly often enough.  We've therefore recently begun to interview IP litigators to increase our understanding of one another's interests, needs, desires and concerns.

Jay Gordon Taylor is the classic L.A. hyphenate -- in his case, the hyphen connects litigator and mediator.  Jay continues to represent his own clients while at the same time helping other lawyers find the best resolutions available for theirs.  Though a hyphenate, Mr. Taylor does not live and work here in L[hyphen]A but in in Indianapolis, Indiana.  We have, by the way, already published the first part of this interview here.  

We're pleased and honored to have Mr. Taylor join us for our first day "live" on our new site. 

Thanks Jay! 

MS. PYNCHON: Mediators are always talking about the way in which mediation reduces expense, creates greater opportunities to craft one’s own “remedy,” and (of course) avoids the risks and burdens of litigation. Assuming litigation/trial could deliver a relatively quick and efficient means to resolve the matter, would mediation still be a better alternative. 

MR. TAYLOR: Often the goal of patent litigation is to force a competitor out of the market. If that is the goal, mediation is probably fruitless. I had a case, years ago, where the settlement demands by the other side were very simple -- agree that you are infringing, pay us everything we think we are entitled to -- including our attorney's fees -- and stop selling the allegedly infringing product. Their demands never changed. 

Needless to say, the case did not settle, even though my client would have been willing to pay a reasonable royalty by way of compromise. After a very lengthy, costly trial and appeal, plaintiff's six patents were held either invalid or non-enforceable. Thus, by being unreasonable, they deprived themselves of a substantial royalty stream.

MS. PYNCHON: Do you believe that a mediator with industry knowledge and experience representing clients in patent litigation could have made a difference in that case? I recently mediated a patent infringement case with a similar motive on Plaintiff’s part. Nevertheless, we were able to craft a business deal that capitalized on the defendant’s international marketing network. This was an opportunity that wouldn’t have been available to Plaintiff by way of trial and I believe the settlement provided the Plaintiff with more value than winning the litigation would have.

MR. TAYLOR: It is possible that mediation might have been beneficial. I could never determine if the client was driving this hard settlement position or whether the lawyers were not properly advising the client on the merits of the case. It is possible the mediation might have produced a settlement in that case if the settlement position was the result of bad advice. However, if the client's sole goal was to get my client out of the market, I doubt that mediation would have been successful.

EXPLORING COMMERCIAL INTERESTS

MS. PYNCHON: I often find that the attorneys representing their IP clients haven’t fully explored all of the commercial interests that are driving the dispute, or at least not all of the business opportunities of which the client is aware. Have you found that in your practice as an advocate or as a mediator?

MR. TAYLOR: I think it is unusual that the client does not communicate its goals to the attorney. I have found it far more likely that the attorney does not candidly inform the client of the merits of the case and the risks of loss. Sometimes I've believed that the attorney has torpedoed a settlement for personal reasons, either ego or money. I have observed the philosophy by some litigators that it is always in the best interest of the client to litigate through trial. In reality, of course, it is rarely in the interests of the client to go to trial, particularly where there is an acceptable settlement that makes business sense. It is always more lucrative for the attorney to try the case, and unfortunately, some of our brethren overlook or push the ethical envelope in advising clients regarding settlement.

MS. PYNCHON: I have heard many mediators and settlement Judges express that opinion and it may be true. But my experience has been that an attorney is always eager to settle a case if s/he believes the settlement will truly make the client happier than continued litigation.

MR. TAYLOR: Well, that should be the goal of every attorney, but none of us knows what is truly motivating the other side. There is, however, another factor that enters into IP cases that is not reflected in the general commercial litigation case.

THE PERILS OF AN ENGINEERING OR SCIENTIFIC MIND-SET

Many IP attorneys simply do not understand the reasons for settlement or how to best settle a case. Often, IP attorneys are engineers or scientists whose undergraduate training has not prepared them to fully understand the nuances of the legal issues being litigated. I’ve found that some engineers and scientists who are also attorneys continue to view the world in black and white terms and to ignore the grey. They have reviewed the case and arrived at their conclusions. Because they are convinced that they are right, they often refuse to see any basis to settle a patent infringement case on any terms other than their own. This failure – maybe this inability -- to recognize the potential that the other side might also be “right,” often prevents settlement.

EVALUATIVE AND FACILITATIVE SOLUTIONS

This is an instance where evaluative mediation by an IP specialist mediator can be very helpful. The client gets an opportunity to see and appreciate both sides of the case and to appreciate the risks involved. I once had a client that would not accept my candid advice and counseling regarding the merits of the case and the desirability of settlement until he heard the other side's presentation during mediation. Somehow, hearing it from the other side made more of an impact than hearing it from me.

MS. PYNCHON: I know. I’ve often had counsel pull me aside and say, “listen, when I tell my client his case has holes, he thinks I’m being disloyal. I need you to do it.” I also often find that the attorney sometimes cannot bring himself to deliver the bad news to his client in the way his client can hear it. The case, of course, doesn’t necessarily get better over time but the client often continues to believe it’s as pure and pristine as the day he first brought it to his attorney. Helping the attorney save face is something I see as a pretty common part of my job as a mediator.

MR. TAYLOR: Yes, I’ve experienced that as well. And as you suggest, one of the greatest benefits of mediation is the opportunity for the parties to examine the business issues as opposed to the legal issues. The lawyers get too bogged down in the legal issues and fail to recognize that litigation is and should be merely a business tool for the client.

All clients should be advised up front that litigation must be approached in the same manner as every other business decision -- what are the goals or benefits, what are the risks and what are the costs. The same benefit, cost, risk analysis should be done whether it is a decision to enter a market, produce a new product or bring a law suit. If the business goals or benefits can be achieved by settlement as opposed to trial, there is no reason to go to trial.

Stay tuned for the conclusion of the Jay Taylor interview tomorrow!

Kaleidoscopes and the Law

(photo by Sylvia Cole)

I was having lunch with a mediator friend today, talking about litigation's inability to keep up with the speed of technology.  

Though we're both mediation converts, we're also both lawyers who worry about the continued public development of the law. 

We're not quite ready to toss out the adversarial system bag and baggage.  

While we were talking I was recalling that Todd Lewis Mayover in the IP Counsel Blog once compared the law to a kaleidoscope.  

"A kaleidoscope," he wrote,

is a tube through which a viewer can see beautiful colors, shapes and patterns of small pieces of glass. The pieces of glass move based on the rotation of the tube, gravity and the rotational forces of Earth, thus causing different patterns, shapes and colors with each slight rotation of the kaleidoscope. 

Aside from the Courts, those great rotators of the law's narrow tube, changes in economics, technology, science, society and politics will all play a role in shifting our perception and perspective on what activities ought to be allowed and which prohibited, what injustices should be righted and which left to the great adjustor of the marketplace.  

In praising the good of change, Mayover concluded that "[w]ithout a slight rotation our view of the law [would] never change."

"We've just got a lot more options now," I said to my friend, "and more ways of looking at a dispute, additional strategies for tackling the thing.  It's a good thing.  The one commodity that will never be in short supply is human conflict."

And so we turned the kaleidoscope just a notch to the north for the day.

Mediation Confidentiality Trumps Malpractice . . . Barely

by Michael D. Young

Once again, the trial courts are trying to mess up mediation confidentiality by judicially creating (legislating?) exceptions to the confidentiality statutes. When faced with a public policy that competes with California's strong public policy favoring mediation confidentiality, the trial courts too often seem to tip the balance the wrong way by inventing unwritten exceptions to the law.

Luckily, in the recently-penned decision in Wimsatt v. Superior Court (Kausch) (Cal. App. No. B196903), the appellate court fixed things up...although it was clearly not happy about it.

Wimsatt involves a legal malpractice action against a prominent plaintiff's personal injury firm. In the trial court, the former client and malpractice plaintiff claimed that the law firm "breached its fiduciary duty by significantly lowering [the client's] settlement demand without his knowledge or consent."

The client claimed he first learned of this fact from the confidential mediation brief that was provided to the mediator. You can see the public policy conflict already, can't you?

In the malpractice action, the client reasonably enough wanted to obtain and introduce the smoking gun mediation brief, the one on which his entire case rested. However, as California practitioners should know by now, there is a slight problem with the plaintiff's wish: Evidence Code Sections 1115 et seq., and in particular Section 1119.

California is serious, and rightfully so, about protecting the very cornerstone of mediation -- confidentiality. Under Section 1119, no mediation communications, including mediation briefs, are admissible in court. This has been reaffirmed time and time again by the Supreme Court (go reread Foxgate and Rojas if you don't believe me).

So what happened in the Wimsatt case?

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Introducing Patent Attorney, Arbitrator and Mediator Les Weinstein

Les Weinstein, who remains affiliated with the law firm of Shelton Mak Rose Anderson PC while arbitrating national and international intellectual property cases with the American Arbitration Association, was my boss, mentor and teacher more than twenty years ago (yikes!) when we practiced together at Pepper, Hamilton & Scheetz.

It's a pleasure and privilege to welcome Les as one of the contributors to the IP ADR Blog.  Since meeting one another again in the ADR world, Les and I have co-mediated copyright and patent infringement cases and I have assisted him with some of the most sophisticated and complex arbitrations, including a billion dollar infringement case between two IP industry titans. 

Les has over 40 years of experience as a trial, counseling and appellate lawyer specializing in patent, copyright and trademark law, as well as the law of competition (antitrust, trade secrets, unfair competition and unfair trade practices). Mr. Weinstein's knowledge of patent law and practices is particularly deep.

He is not only registered to practice before the U.S. Patent and Trademark Office, he had early experience as a Patent Examiner, before which he worked as an engineer to ITE Circuit Breaker Co.

No stranger to the courtroom, Mr. Weinstein worked for the U.S. Department of Justice in Washington D.C. under an appointment to the Attorney General's Honor Program. It was there that Mr. Weinstein earned his trial stripes before going on to a long and distinguished private career as a partner with McKenna, Conner & Cuneo; name partner with Bleecher, Collins & Weinstein, and Senior Partner with the law firms of Pepper, Hamilton & Scheetz, Graham & James LLP, Squire Sanders & Dempsey LLP and Sheldon Mak.

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